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 [11:55:39] <kira1>  hello
 [11:55:41] <emeric_morency>  hi
 [11:55:45] <mikeing2001>  hi
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 [11:56:47] <karenreid>  Hi!
 [11:56:55] <oussama>  hi all
 [11:58:23] <karenreid>  I didn't get around to making up a final meeting list, so let's get started, and I'll try to keep track.
 [11:58:24] <karenreid>  I
 [11:58:54] <karenreid>  I think I have everyone signed up on the blog and registered on github, so let me know if something doesn't seem quite right.
 [11:59:43] <karenreid>  I'l be posting a list of responsibilities for minutes and collecting status reports following this meeting so that we can get that rolling.
 [12:00:14] <karenreid>  We had a productive meeting with the test infrastructure sub-group on Wednesday.
 [12:00:45] <karenreid>  with brian_bo, Bryon, Derek, Mike Margel
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 [12:01:28] <karenreid>  I was *really* happy with how things went at the sprint and hopefully we can buckle down and get things rolling.
 [12:01:35] <karenreid>  for the rest of the term.
 [12:02:04] <karenreid>  Let's find out how everyone's week has been going, and we then we can continue with more planning.
 [12:02:28] <karenreid>  brian_bo: do you want to say something briefly about the testing?
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 [12:03:56] <Andrey_>  Hello, Sorry for being late technical issues :P
 [12:04:20] <karenreid>  Thanks mikeing2001 for doing the punchlines this week!
 [12:04:46] <mikeing2001>  i did it all summer, i am use to doing it
 [12:05:02] <karenreid>  :-)
 [12:05:22] <karenreid>  We'll pass the duty around. :-)
 [12:05:33] <karenreid>  emeric_morency: why don't you start then?
 [12:05:53] <karenreid>  emeric_morency: I can send email to Aimen and Sean to see if they can help get you started on 689.
 [12:06:32] <emeric_morency>  ok that would be nice
 [12:07:06] <emeric_morency>  well I didn't do much this week (I'll mostly be working on Saturday/Sunday afternoon every week)
 [12:07:49] <emeric_morency>  lately I've been working on the alignment issue (on Chrome) in the note modal popup
 [12:08:16] <emeric_morency>  and I'm still waiting for an answer from Aimen and/or Sean regarding issue #689 (User Preferences)
 [12:08:55] <karenreid>  that sounds good. I hope Sean or Aimen will be able to help. I saw Sean yesterday, so if I see him again, I'll try to twist his arm. :-)
 [12:09:06] <karenreid>  mikeing2001: you are next on the list.
 [12:09:08] <emeric_morency>  ok thank you :)
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 [12:09:27] <karenreid>  (I didn't realize the punchlines were up, so I'm still catching up on reading them.)
 [12:09:49] <emeric_morency>  mikeing2001 told me to check if Aimen/Sean had a branch started for the issue
 [12:09:55] <emeric_morency>  I tried looking for it but didn't find it
 [12:09:55] <mikeing2001>  why did i put my self so high up.... anyways, i am currently trying to fix up issue 745
 [12:09:57] <karenreid>  mikeing2001: I hear you about the hours in the day!
 [12:10:28] <mikeing2001>  the fix by daryn is quite messy and there are problems with it.
 [12:10:54] <mikeing2001>  that is pretty much all i been doing this week
 [12:11:02] <mikeing2001>  busy catching up with stuff
 [12:11:07] <karenreid>  great thanks
 [12:11:37] <karenreid>  hmm I don't see Ante. I'll have to double check to see when he can make meetings.
 [12:12:15] <karenreid>  Is jolle Joey? (that sounds weird)
 [12:12:21] <jolle>  Joel!
 [12:12:41] <karenreid>  thanks
 [12:13:00] <jolle>  :)
 [12:13:06] <karenreid>  Andrey_: that means you are next. sorry to hear about your flight!
 [12:13:41] <Andrey_>  yeah so I pretty much lost a day XD
 [12:13:59] <Andrey_>  I didn't get to look at markus this week\
 [12:14:02] <Andrey_>  lots of things due
 [12:14:23] <Andrey_>  I will be working today on issue 874
 [12:14:33] <karenreid>  sounds good.
 [12:14:36] <Andrey_>  suggested to me by miek
 [12:14:38] <Andrey_>  mike
 [12:14:46] <karenreid>  that's definitely a good one to fix
 [12:14:51] <karenreid>  kira1: your turn
 [12:16:40] <mikeing2001>  Andrey_, post a comment on issue 874 that you will be working on it so no one else does it
 [12:16:41] <kira1>  i put in a pull request for issue 271. I didnt carefully read through it before commiting so mike has been pointing out a couple code issues on his code review. Ive pushed up my fixes for them. I also took on issue 51 but im not really sure its an issue. I would like to talk to someone about it perhaps afterwards. If anyone has a good (easy/moderate) fix they know of ill take it on
 [12:18:11] <karenreid>  kira1: what's the issue number for the second one? I can't find 51
 [12:18:30] <kira1>  sorry i meant 53
 [12:19:38] <mikeing2001>  kira1, i don't think this issue exists anymore.
 [12:19:56] <kira1>  it does, the highlight doesnt come off
 [12:20:02] <kira1>  but i think that is the correct behavoir
 [12:20:13] <mikeing2001>  ok, i may be thinking of something else then
 [12:20:16] <kira1>  because then they can click multiple annotations if they want
 [12:20:43] <kira1>  if you take the highlight off then they can only click one predefined annotation and then they have to re highlight everything again to put on another on
 [12:20:51] <kira1>  (how frustrating would that be?)
 [12:21:20] <kira1>  what do you guys thing?
 [12:21:24] <kira1>  think*
 [12:21:26] <karenreid>  except if the common case is to add only one annotation it is a separate click.
 [12:21:36] <kira1>  yeah true
 [12:21:36] <karenreid>  I think it is low enough priority that I'm inclined to just close it.
 [12:21:48] <kira1>  okay ill close it, and find another one
 [12:22:19] <karenreid>  sounds good
 [12:22:47] <karenreid>  oussama: your turn
 [12:24:18] <oussama>  After having fixed issue 840 and made a pull request, some unwanted changes were somehow made in "development.erb" file and pushed as well
 [12:24:45] <kira1>  i dont think i have access to close issues
 [12:25:01] <oussama>  I still need to revert those changes, I am also looking for an issue to work on
 [12:25:27] <oussama>  I doing more work over the weekend, meanwhile I am learning more and more about the Markus codebase
 [12:25:47] <karenreid>  kira1: closed it
 [12:25:51] <oussama>  and that's pretty much it
 [12:25:54] <karenreid>  thanks oussama
 [12:26:07] <karenreid>  jolle: your turn
 [12:26:09] <kira1>  (thanks)
 [12:26:42] <mikeing2001>  karenreid, can you close issue 873, it is a duplicate of 872. Github created 2 issues for the same thing
 [12:27:23] <jolle>  I had a few extra days in Toronto, haven't got back to markus yet
 [12:27:34] <jolle>  I'm going to do some bug hunting this weekend!
 [12:27:48] <karenreid>  :-)
 [12:28:01] <karenreid>  I hope you had fun in Toronto
 [12:28:06] <jolle>  I did!
 [12:28:18] <jolle>  what an excellent city, and I caught the leaves changing
 [12:28:27] <jolle>  my first time there; it left a good impression
 [12:28:47] <karenreid>  :-)
 [12:29:04] <deredowl>  same, spent Sunday night in a hostel on College St! Super cool area.
 [12:29:51] <karenreid>  I love living in Toronto (and I grew up in Saskatoon), so I'm happy to hear it made a good impression.
 [12:30:15] <karenreid>  Okay, I think we heard from everyone
 [12:30:21] <karenreid>  Thanks! That was really fast.
 [12:30:44] <karenreid>  I'd like to keep working on bugs, but I think it is time to start looking at bigger issues too.
 [12:30:59] <karenreid>  On the board at the sprint I had
 [12:31:14] <karenreid>  - test infrastructure (which is well on its way)
 [12:31:19] <karenreid>  - remark request system
 [12:31:28] <karenreid>  - enhancements to the marks spreadsheet
 [12:31:32] <karenreid>  - user preferences
 [12:31:38] <karenreid>  Did I forget one?
 [12:31:46] <oussama>  grading...
 [12:32:35] <karenreid>  mikeing2001 signed on to work on the release engineering aspects of rolling out a new version.
 [12:33:21] <mikeing2001>  yes i agreed to that didn't i
 [12:33:30] <mikeing2001>  :D
 [12:33:50] <jolle>  I could join the remark request crew, although I'm not quite sure where to start
 [12:33:55] <karenreid>  mikeing2001: if you haven't already it would be worth sending a note to jerboaa and asking if he has some suggestions about what the major issues will be. I think we will need to test out installation procedures and documentation on clean installations, so we should talk about where you can do that most easily
 [12:34:25] <mikeing2001>  sure
 [12:34:33] <mikeing2001>  will do
 [12:34:40] <karenreid>  jolle: the first steps with the remark request system would be to play around with it to see how many different ways you can break itl
 [12:35:01] <jolle>  I'm good at breaking things :D
 [12:35:08] <jolle>  sounds good
 [12:35:11] <karenreid>  The biggest problem with the request system is that we were losing the original marks if the instructor opened
 [12:35:26] <karenreid>  the remark request for a student, and the navigated away from it before handling it.
 [12:35:38] <karenreid>  I'm not sure if there is a bug filed for that.
 [12:35:45] <jolle>  no issue?
 [12:35:49] <jolle>  Ill look
 [12:35:54] <jolle>  if i cant find one ill make it
 [12:36:19] <karenreid>  I'm going to have to take another run at testing it myself to remember what some of the other issues were.
 [12:36:32] <karenreid>  but there were definitely a few things that need rethinking.
 [12:37:18] <jolle>  that sounds good for me, im set
 [12:37:23] <kira1>  where can i start with the marking spreadsheet?
 [12:37:27] <karenreid>  especially in terms of how to see the original marks. It became clear as we were using it that we will have to save the original marks.
 [12:37:59] <karenreid>  kira1: the first thing I would look into would be assigning graders to the groups
 [12:38:12] <karenreid>  I don't know of any major issues with the spreadsheet
 [12:38:35] <karenreid>  another issue with the spreadsheet would be to look at how it handles sections. It would be nice to see only the students from one section.
 [12:38:43] <karenreid>  or at least sort by section
 [12:39:13] <kira1>  okay cool, do you know of any open issues or should i just dive right in and see what i can break as well/needs improvement?
 [12:40:03] <karenreid>  hmm doesn't look like we have an issue for what I just described. :-( (my fault)
 [12:40:24] <kira1>  no big deal i shall look around and start logging things to work on for myself
 [12:40:49] <karenreid>  kira1: sounds good
 [12:41:25] <karenreid>  kira1: Thanks for the blog post too! I'll post it on the UCOSP blog this afternoon
 [12:41:35] <mikeing2001>  issue 851 will be a challenging one if anyone is up for it
 [12:42:03] <oussama>  Karen, I have yet to decide what part of the system to focus on, within the next couple of days I should be able to figure that out
 [12:42:16] <deredowl>  brian_bo, you there?
 [12:43:00] <karenreid>  Andrey_: would you like to join one of the three groups that are just getting started on these issues?
 [12:43:21] <mikeing2001>  deredowl, it's lunch time, i don't think brian_bo is there
 [12:43:44] <Andrey_>  hmm at the moment I would like to at least figure out the two issues I signed up for
 [12:44:01] <emeric_morency>  karenreid: like you already know, I'll be working on the user preferences
 [12:44:02] <karenreid>  Andrey_: that sounds good to me. I just don't want you to feel like you are stuck working on your own.
 [12:44:07] <deredowl>  Andrey_: Also, that issue 860 we worked on needs some fixing. You can start with that if you'd like. Then I am free to go to Testing stuff
 [12:44:21] <karenreid>  emeric_morency: thanks I did have that on my list.
 [12:44:34] <karenreid>  oussama: thanks
 [12:44:45] <karenreid>  Did I miss anyone? (other than Ante and Joey)
 [12:45:35] <karenreid>  This is such a big group that I have a hard time keeping track in my head, so although I'm writing things down as I go, please jump in if I ever seem like I might leave you out.
 [12:45:58] <karenreid>  Any other business?
 [12:47:41] <karenreid>  It's hard to believe with this many people we can finish a meeting in less than an hour, but let's call it, and if you have other questions or want to talk about other things, I'll be hanging around for a while.
 [12:50:52] <jolle>  hokee, talk to you all next week!
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 [12:51:03] <kira1>  bye guys!
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 [12:51:08] <emeric_morency>  Thanks, I have another meeting @ 1 PM, so have a nice weekend everyone, see you next week for the meeting
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 [12:51:29] <oussama>  talk to you all next week!
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 [12:51:44] <Andrey_>  BB
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 [12:52:02] <jerboaa>  mikeing2001, karenreid: Main things prior releasing a Rails 3.0.x based MarkUs will be installation doc
 [12:52:11] <jerboaa>  lot's of things changed
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 [12:59:38] <joeyperry>  sorry I'm late
 [12:59:50] <joeyperry>  bad bus schedules and snow :\
 [12:59:56] <joeyperry>  just catching up on the log
 [13:00:00] <mikeing2001>  joeyperry, SNOW
 [13:00:13] <karenreid>  hi joeyperry
 [13:00:36] <karenreid>  down south here, we can hardly imagine snow
 [13:00:52] <mikeing2001>  jerboaa, do you know how out of date it is
 [13:00:57] <karenreid>  at this time of year
 [13:01:25] <karenreid>  joeyperry: we wrapped up the meeting a bit early
 [13:01:35] <joeyperry>  yeah I noticed
 [13:01:50] <joeyperry>  my class doen't end until 12:20 your time, but usually I can whip home in 5 minutes by bike
 [13:01:50] <karenreid>  the one thing, other than status reports that we talked about was what to start working on next