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 [00:38:35] <oussama>  hi all
 [00:39:03] <oussama>  just testing ...
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 [10:14:10] <oussama>  sdf
 [10:14:22] <oussama>  lsdkfsdf
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 [10:15:18] <oussama>  sdf
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 [11:46:21] <oussama>  hi Mike
 [11:46:24] <mikeing2001>  hi
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 [11:58:51] <Andrey_>  Hello
 [11:59:34] <mikeing2001>  hi
 [11:59:42] <brian_bo>  hi everyone :)
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 [12:00:11] <karenreid>  9
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 [12:00:35] <mikeing2001>  9
 [12:00:50] <oussama>  hi
 [12:00:59]  *** karenreid thinks its been one of those days :P
 [12:01:12] <karenreid>  Hi
 [12:01:47] <oussama>  karen, mike and I are switchin rooms
 [12:01:49] <karenreid>  I'm not sure how many people we will get today, so I think we should dive in and see how everyone is doing.
 [12:02:02] <mikeing2001>  there is a tutorial in the lab we are in
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 [12:02:43] <karenreid>  I'll wait at least until mikeing2001 and oussama come back
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 [12:04:31] <oussama>  hello again
 [12:04:37] <mikeing2001>  we are back
 [12:04:40] <karenreid>  :-)
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 [12:05:02] <kiramccoan>  hello!
 [12:05:07] <jolle>  hello :D
 [12:05:09] <karenreid>  Hi!
 [12:05:25] <jolle>  (this is Joel Burford)
 [12:05:26] <karenreid>  Okay, I think we have critical mass now.
 [12:05:41] <jolle>  are you calling me heavy?
 [12:06:09] <jolle>  (just kidding)
 [12:06:18] <kiramccoan>  haha
 [12:06:25] <karenreid>  this is why we have a sprint, so I can get to know you well enough to come up with a snappy comeback ;-)
 [12:06:56] <karenreid>  Speaking of the sprint& is everyone all set with travel arrangements?
 [12:07:04] <mikeing2001>  yes for me
 [12:07:10] <kiramccoan>  yes for me
 [12:07:13] <karenreid>  Or are there any questions?
 [12:07:13] <oussama>  yes
 [12:07:15] <jolle>  yes for me
 [12:07:39] <Andrey_>  yes
 [12:07:54] <brian_bo>  yes
 [12:08:02] <karenreid>  Great.
 [12:08:22] <karenreid>  Alright, let's see how everyone's week went. oussama, you can start :-)
 [12:08:41] <oussama>  ok
 [12:09:41] <oussama>  I was able to successfully setup my dev environment, I did a test run and all went smooth, I am still learning Rails and familiarizing myself with the overall structure of Markus
 [12:10:35] <karenreid>  Excellent!
 [12:10:41] <karenreid>  mikeing2001: ?
 [12:10:43] <mikeing2001>  so I worked on a few issues. There were mainly stuff I hadn't had time to finish last time around that I knew what needed to be done.
 [12:11:04] <oussama>  that was superfast
 [12:11:39] <karenreid>  mikeing2001: have you looked at the demo server recently? do you have any idea what might have broken it?
 [12:12:01] <mikeing2001>  I tried looking at it but I don't have access to really look deeply into it
 [12:12:26] <karenreid>  mikeing2001: we should get you access, if you are willing to look at it more closely.
 [12:13:43] <mikeing2001>  Another thing I wanted to bring up is does everyone have login access to the blog. I know oussama doesn't know his username or password for it
 [12:13:48] <karenreid>  mikeing2001: it would probably help with working on release issues too
 [12:13:59] <karenreid>  mikeing2001: good point. I should be able to do that today
 [12:14:00] <mikeing2001>  yea that would
 [12:14:15] <karenreid>  mikeing2001: thanks
 [12:14:21] <mikeing2001>  i will talk to danesh about it
 [12:14:21] <karenreid>  kiramccoan: how was your week
 [12:15:42] <kiramccoan>  good, i got my local server up and running, and had a quick look around. I also did the RailsForZombies screencast tutorials. I'd like to set up a dev env this week but i wanted some opinions on what everyone else was using
 [12:16:09] <karenreid>  kiramccoan: do you mean OS?
 [12:16:48] <kiramccoan>  no just whether xcode would be better then aptana or if anyone else had a better ide
 [12:16:55] <karenreid>  ahh
 [12:17:43] <kiramccoan>  ive got all the code there up and running from command line, im just looking for an ide that would fit best with rails
 [12:17:58] <karenreid>  I don't know of anyone using Xcode for an ide, but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't work well.
 [12:18:11] <karenreid>  you have markus set up from the command line?
 [12:18:15] <oussama>  sublimetext 2 works for me
 [12:18:39] <karenreid>  oussama: do you get build or debugging features from sublimetext2?
 [12:18:42] <oussama>  for ubuntu, I assumed you are using linux
 [12:18:56] <karenreid>  sublimetext2 works on mac too
 [12:19:00] <kiramccoan>  i mean i can run the server ect from command line
 [12:19:10] <oussama>  I have not actually started working with it yet, it was recommended to me
 [12:19:11] <kiramccoan>  im on a mac
 [12:19:43] <kiramccoan>  but yeah im looking for debugging capabilites and build features.. i may just look online and check out what other people are using
 [12:19:50] <oussama>  you cannot do any debugging with sublimetext 2
 [12:20:02] <jolle>  I'm trying NetBeans right now, pretty simple.
 [12:20:11] <jolle>  there's an older version that still has Ruby and Rails support
 [12:20:13] <brian_bo>  I have Aptana set up on my linux machine, because that is recommended on the MarkUs wiki page...
 [12:20:32] <karenreid>  actually, it looks like sublimetext2 does have some build features for ruby, but I'm not sure about debugger
 [12:21:08] <kiramccoan>  yeah ive worked with aptana and it seems to work very well (since i am most familiar with eclipse anyways)
 [12:22:07] <karenreid>  jolle: how about you?
 [12:22:24] <DerekDowling>  Time to throw in my JetBrains pitch that all of my friends are tired of. RubyMine is a pretty good ide if you are looking for a so called "smart ide". http://www.jetbrains.com/ruby/ It's 30 day free trial, and you can buy an academic license for $29
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 [12:22:44] <mina>  hello
 [12:23:04] <jolle>  Yup, Derek's pitched that to me before :D
 [12:23:15] <jolle>  set up dev environment, got MarkUs running locally, reading into Ruby and Rails, starting to read through MarkUs code. Right now my goal is to get an understanding of how MarkUs works.
 [12:23:57] <jolle>  I'm really liking Rails as I get into it, the MVC concepts seem pretty intuitive
 [12:23:59] <karenreid>  DerekDowling: thanks, I always like hearing about new ides
 [12:24:11] <karenreid>  jolle: yay!
 [12:24:32] <karenreid>  DerekDowling: your turn
 [12:25:52] <DerekDowling>  Things are going well. I've got Ruby and Rails going now. I spent a bunch of yesterday writing little scripts in ruby to get a feel for the language. As soon as I crank out something OO and get a feel for all of that, I'll start playing with rails. As for the dev env, I plan on having that up and running by Sunday evening. But I figured there wasn't much of a point getting it going before then if I can't understand any of the code.
 [12:26:28] <karenreid>  sounds good!
 [12:27:01] <karenreid>  brian_bo: how has your week been?
 [12:27:50] <brian_bo>  I've been exploring the testing framework of MarkUs, learning about the ant files, and understanding the MarkUs source code
 [12:28:38] <karenreid>  is it starting to come together?
 [12:29:36] <brian_bo>  Yea it is not easy to learn ant, rails, ruby at the same time...
 [12:29:59] <brian_bo>  but I got basic understanding of what is available in MarkUs right now
 [12:30:04] <brian_bo>  for the testing framework
 [12:32:37] <brian_bo>  I do have some questions that I would like to ask at the end of this meeting
 [12:32:55] <karenreid>  brian_bo: it is a sizeable thing to get working on.
 [12:33:12] <karenreid>  Andrey_: last but not least :-)
 [12:33:34] <Andrey_>  well I set up my desktop at home with a linux Ubuntu
 [12:33:40]  *** karenreid keeps looking at my notes to see where everyone is from
 [12:33:42] <Andrey_>  I set up virtual machines to work with
 [12:34:04] <Andrey_>  The only problem is that I spend a lot of time at the university and don't have access to the desktop
 [12:34:12] <Andrey_>  I need to configure remote control over it
 [12:34:16] <Andrey_>  not sure how though
 [12:34:25] <Andrey_>  I also started learning Ruby
 [12:34:37] <Andrey_>  but I need to start programming in it instead of just reading
 [12:34:55] <Andrey_>  once I have a better understanding of ruby I'll start learning Rails
 [12:35:15] <Andrey_>  Hopefully by the Sprint I will have a good understanding of Ruby and Rails
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 [12:35:43] <Andrey_>  and have a remote connection to the desktop so that I can have help with the env set up
 [12:35:47] <joeyperry>  sorry I'm late!
 [12:36:07] <Andrey_>  I would really love to have one of the more experienced people guide me a bit with some of the stuff
 [12:36:08] <karenreid>  Andrey_: you certainly won't *know* either by the sprint, but we'll dive into the MarkUs code anyway and learn as you go along.
 [12:36:16] <Andrey_>  I'm having trouble even with github
 [12:36:29] <karenreid>  Does anyone have experience setting up a remote connection to a home desktop?
 [12:36:51] <karenreid>  we may have to ask around a bit for help with that
 [12:37:04] <Andrey_>  The desktop is running Ubuntu and the laptop is running win7
 [12:37:35] <karenreid>  Andrey_: what kind of trouble are you having with github
 [12:37:36] <karenreid>  ?
 [12:37:43] <kiramccoan>  you can try to use nomachine i know it can remote into ubuntu
 [12:37:49] <Andrey_>  well I'm not sure how to use it at all
 [12:38:13] <Andrey_>  hwo do I access it and how I take items out and put them in and those kind of things
 [12:38:33] <Andrey_>  It would really help if someone will sit down with me and help me with it
 [12:38:41] <karenreid>  Andrey_: so it is mostly learning how to use git?
 [12:38:50] <Andrey_>  well yes
 [12:38:53] <joeyperry>  I have connected the other way around, used remote terminal to connect to a Windows 7 machine, but it was on the same home network
 [12:38:59] <karenreid>  Andrey_: I'm sure either I or one or the other students can do that.
 [12:39:15] <karenreid>  Andrey_: let's talk after the meeting and we can find some time.
 [12:39:21] <Andrey_>  ok
 [12:39:37] <brian_bo>  here are two links that help with me a lot for github https://github.com/MarkUsProject/Markus/wiki/GitHowTo http://blog.markusproject.org/?cat=96
 [12:39:51] <karenreid>  Andrey_ wasn't really last&
 [12:40:06] <karenreid>  mina: your turn (you are probably still waiting for an answer from me)
 [12:40:22] <mina>  haha ya& my status report is pretty lame
 [12:40:28] <mina>  haven't done much recently
 [12:40:51] <mina>  hoping for a reply on my report, and if not, I will just check out some issues on github
 [12:40:59] <kiramccoan>  Andrey_: did you read this blog? http://blog.markusproject.org/?p=3520
 [12:41:23] <karenreid>  mina: was proposing either adding git as a backend repository as an alternate for svn, or working on caching for performance improvements.
 [12:41:38] <karenreid>  mina: I have a slight preference for the git proposal, but I'm actually fine with either.
 [12:41:44] <mina>  yes
 [12:42:00] <mina>  the problem was with the sys admins? or is that not an issue anymore?
 [12:42:18] <karenreid>  mina: I think we can solve that one.
 [12:42:43] <mina>  ok, so we can start working on a git backend?
 [12:42:52] <karenreid>  mina: yes
 [12:43:13] <mina>  awesome! exciting :)
 [12:43:16] <karenreid>  :-)
 [12:43:35] <karenreid>  joeyperry: how was your week?
 [12:43:39] <DerekDowling>  So you are working on building a git connector to allow students to upload throufgh that?
 [12:44:04]  *** DerekDowling sorry, we can talk after
 [12:44:06] <karenreid>  DerekDowling: that's the idea
 [12:44:11] <mina>  we want students to be able to do their assignments using git, like svn
 [12:44:23] <mina>  also, the web submission could use git too
 [12:44:26] <DerekDowling>  Awesome!
 [12:44:57] <brian_bo>  Does that mean the students must know git before they can submit assignments?
 [12:45:15] <karenreid>  only if the instructor wants them to use git.
 [12:45:23] <brian_bo>  ok.
 [12:45:34] <joeyperry>  karenreid: it was good, got the dev server running reliably, have git all setup as far as I can tell
 [12:45:36] <karenreid>  if they use the web submissions, the git interface is hidden from them.
 [12:45:46] <karenreid>  joeyperry: great!
 [12:46:04] <joeyperry>  I've mostly just been going through the application a bit, getting a feel for how everything works, and trying to make notes of anything that was confusing to figure out