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 [10:49:18] <mina>  meeting in an hour?
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 [11:15:34] <Andrey_>  Is anyone here?
 [11:15:47]  *** jerboaa is here
 [11:16:00] <Andrey_>  When is the meeting today?
 [11:16:31] <Andrey_>  I'm talking about the UCOSP meeting
 [11:17:09] <jerboaa>  I have no idea, sorry
 [11:17:25] <jerboaa>  karenreid would perhaps know :)
 [11:17:36] <Andrey_>  Are part of this project?
 [11:17:36] <karenreid>  Hi,
 [11:17:40] <Andrey_>  you*
 [11:17:49] <Andrey_>  Hello
 [11:17:52] <karenreid>  Andrey_: the meeting will be at noon Toronto time.
 [11:18:26] <karenreid>  This is the first time we've had students from BC to NS, so the span of time zones is pretty extreme.
 [11:18:32] <Andrey_>  How do I send a private message here? I have not used IRC before
 [11:19:10] <Andrey_>  The meeting will take place in 49 minutes right?
 [11:19:19] <Andrey_>  I mean 39
 [11:19:29] <jerboaa>  Andrey_, /msg <nick> message things here
 [11:19:30] <karenreid>  You can use "/msg nickname"
 [11:19:51] <karenreid>  or there might be a gui way to do it depending on your client.
 [11:20:07] <karenreid>  Andrey_: yes the meeting is in roughly 40 min.
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 [11:21:05] <mina>  Oh hi
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 [11:22:56] <Andrey_>  Hello
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 [11:47:40] <Oussama>  Hi all
 [11:48:22] <mikeing2001>  Hi
 [11:48:49] <mina>  hellloooo
 [11:48:53] <mina>  :)
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 [11:51:00] <Oussama>  Mike, ur in BA3195, right?
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 [11:51:25] <Oussama>  <Oussama> Mike, ur in BA3195, right?
 [11:51:29] <mikeing2001>  yes
 [11:51:42] <Oussama>  i'll meet u there, i am in the great hall
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 [12:00:39] <Andrey_>  Are we waiting for someone?
 [12:01:28] <karenreid>  Hi Everyone!
 [12:01:38] <joelioio>  hey all! I ended up scheduling an appointment between the doodle fill-out and now, I have to run away. I'm going to leave this open and lurk though, when I'm back I'll read through. Have a fun meeting!
 [12:01:39] <mina>  Hello!
 [12:01:53] <karenreid>  Thanks joelioio
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 [12:02:06] <Oussama>  hi
 [12:02:09] <joelioio>  :D
 [12:02:15] <karenreid>  I'm just checking the list to see who we have...
 [12:02:23] <joelioio>  nice to see you all (in username atleast)
 [12:02:50] <karenreid>  Oussama, mikeing2001, mmargel, and mina are all U of T students
 [12:03:02] <karenreid>  Andrey_ is from Dalhousie
 [12:03:53] <karenreid>  joelioio, and DerekDowling are from U of Alberta
 [12:04:31] <karenreid>  I don't see our UBC students, but I know Kira is trying to get on. I'm not sure about Ante
 [12:04:55] <karenreid>  Emeric (Sherbrooke) couldn't make the meeting time.
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 [12:05:16] <kiramccoan>  hello
 [12:05:17] <karenreid>  And I think Joey was going to be late.
 [12:05:22] <karenreid>  Hi kiramccoan
 [12:05:22] <kiramccoan>  yay! made it :)
 [12:05:40] <kiramccoan>  hello karen
 [12:05:43] <karenreid>  Let me make a few introductions first
 [12:06:26] <karenreid>  mikeing2001 worked on MarkUs this summer and will be doing a project this fall as well, so he will be a good person to get help from.
 [12:06:55] <karenreid>  mina has been volunteering his time on Markus and will be joining us at the sprint in Waterloo.
 [12:07:12] <mina>  hey guys :)
 [12:08:10] <karenreid>  Some of the other people you see on the list include jerboaa (Severin), NelleV, Benjamin_V, and m_conley who are long time developers on MarkUs, and really the original developers.
 [12:08:31] <karenreid>  When they can I'm sure they will be chiming in with a bit of help and code reviews. :-)
 [12:09:03] <karenreid>  I believe that right now, the first 3 are all in Europe.
 [12:09:22] <karenreid>  m_conley will be at the sprint as a ReviewBoard mentor so you will get to meet him in person.
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 [12:10:29] <karenreid>  Not surprisingly with a group this large (and covering this many time zones) we are having trouble finding a good meeting time.
 [12:10:45] <karenreid>  This time seemed to be the best with Thursday evenings following a close second.
 [12:11:15] <karenreid>  I think I have added everyone as a developer on github who sent email to markus-admin, so if you haven't done that yet, please do.
 [12:12:10] <karenreid>  The main purpose of this meeting is to kick things off and see how everyone is doing in the getting started phase.
 [12:12:31] <karenreid>  I'm pretty sure I said this in email, but before the sprint I would like you to:
 [12:12:50] <karenreid>  1. do a Rails tutorial or two to familiarize yourself with the overall structure of Rails
 [12:13:13] <karenreid>  2. As much as possible get the MarkUs dev environment working on your machines.
 [12:13:33] <karenreid>  3. If you really get that far, then we can start looking at the issue list to find a simple ticket or two to start working on.
 [12:13:58] <karenreid>  1.5 read the git tutorials to become more familiar with how we use it with MarkUs
 [12:15:14] <karenreid>  Emeric asked me about machines at the sprint. Does everyone have a laptop that they were planning to bring to the sprint?
 [12:15:28] <karenreid>  Or rather does anyone not have a laptop to bring to the sprint?
 [12:16:23] <karenreid>  Does everyone have things sorted out for getting to the sprint?
 [12:16:43] <mikeing2001>  I don't have things sorted out, unless you have done that for me already
 [12:16:50] <Oussama>  I am in the process of purchasing a new machine, my old machine is not powerful enough I believe
 [12:17:00] <karenreid>  The hotel is booked, but you have to make your own travel plans
 [12:17:33] <mina>  Oh. I think I am on the same boat actually
 [12:17:36] <karenreid>  and just a reminder that we need *original* invoices, receipts and boarding passes.
 [12:17:55] <mina>  I guess I only need the address and when to be there.
 [12:18:16] <karenreid>  For the U of T students, the GO bus is the cheapest, and probably the best transit alternative.
 [12:18:25] <kiramccoan>  when do we give all the receipts to you?
 [12:18:37] <karenreid>  mina: you will be getting more specific info about that from Reid Holmes (soon I hope)
 [12:18:59] <mina>  awesome
 [12:19:02] <karenreid>  kiramccoan: since we need both boarding passes, you will most likely need to mail it to us after the sprint.
 [12:19:29] <kiramccoan>  ok
 [12:20:01] <karenreid>  the university accounting people are really fussy, so it makes it a lot easier if we get it right the first time.
 [12:21:01] <karenreid>  The way we will normally run meetings is that prior to the meeting someone will be responsible for collecting brief status reports/ punch lines.
 [12:21:15] <karenreid>  You can look at the blog for ideas of the structure.
 [12:21:31] <karenreid>  Everyone should read the status reports before the meeting so that we don't have to rehash the basics.
 [12:22:04] <karenreid>  At the meeting we will do a round where anyone can add to their report or ask questions about something they are working on.
 [12:22:18] <karenreid>  I often have questions or clarifications requests.
 [12:22:32] <karenreid>  Then we try to leave a bit of time to work on any issues.
 [12:22:40] <karenreid>  I really try to keep the meetings under an hour if possible.
 [12:22:53] <karenreid>  But, with 11 people on the project that will be tough.
 [12:23:28] <karenreid>  On the other hand, the most important part of this type of project is communication, so I don't want anyone just working away on their own, not talking to anyone else.
 [12:23:57] <karenreid>  It would be easier to give my little pep talk by actually talking, but...
 [12:24:31] <karenreid>  The thing that makes this type of course really different from a normal course is that I care *a lot* more about the process than I do about the size of the finished product.
 [12:25:19] <karenreid>  When we are developing for real users, code that works 90% of the time is just not good enough.
 [12:25:56] <karenreid>  I generally feel like we will be in state of constantly renegotiating what the final product of the term will be.
 [12:26:27] <karenreid>  For some who are totally new to this technology, there will be a steep learning curve and a fair bit of initial frustration.
 [12:27:00] <karenreid>  I wouldn't expect students in this state to produce as much as someone who is already familiar with Rails.
 [12:27:18] <karenreid>  I do expect that what you do produce will be at the same high quality :-)
 [12:27:58] <karenreid>  We'll talk more about this at the sprint, but I wanted to let you know that what I'm looking for is steady, weekly progress, with lots of communication about what is going well and what the roadblocks are.
 [12:29:04] <karenreid>  What I would like to do today is do a quick round to find out what state everyone is in at the moment. i.e, are you working on a tutorial, have you started working on installing the dev environment, are you chomping at the bit waiting for something to do?
 [12:29:36] <karenreid>  You can include your prior experience if you like.
 [12:29:49] <karenreid>  Let's start with Oussama
 [12:30:48] <Oussama>  I am currently still in the preparation phase, I am reading tutorials and familiarizing my self with Rails
 [12:31:11] <karenreid>  mmargel: your turn
 [12:32:51] <karenreid>  okay let's to mina
 [12:33:24] <mina>  I have the dev env set up. I have some experience with rails, and I have already fixed some issues on markus on github. I am also pretty comfortable with git, and rvm, and can help people if need be :)
 [12:33:58] <karenreid>  mina: has already submitted some code to fix some bugs.
 [12:34:10] <karenreid>  mikeing2001: do you want to introduce yourself a bit...
 [12:34:20] <mikeing2001>  Ok
 [12:35:41] <mikeing2001>  I have been working on MarkUs for couple of months now. I have done quite a few fixes to get MarkUs to the next release using rail 3.0. I will be working mainly towards being release manager this term
 [12:35:46] <mikeing2001>  as well as bug fixes
 [12:35:58] <karenreid>  Thanks
 [12:36:04] <karenreid>  kiramccoan: your turn
 [12:37:15] <kiramccoan>  i dont have much experience with ruby or rails besides doing a couple of tutorials, and creating a sudoku solver with only ruby. other than that ive been trying to set up my dev env but have been running into a few issues
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 [12:38:07] <karenreid>  great. Maybe someone can help a bit after the meeting.
 [12:38:17] <karenreid>  Welcome ioev
 [12:38:38] <kiramccoan>  that would be awesome
 [12:39:03] <karenreid>  ioev: we are just going around the "table" to see where everyone is at in the getting started part of this exercise.
 [12:39:04] <ioev>  hello hello, I made it in
 [12:39:16] <ioev>  oh, alright
 [12:39:31] <karenreid>  DerekDowling: you are next (since joelioio is just lurking)
 [12:40:23] <ioev>  okay, well I've had some experience with rails, more development, less setup, so I have a dev server up and running, just using rails s, but it seems to crash looking for some subversion related files
 [12:40:39] <ioev>  when I try to login as the default user created with rake
 [12:40:53] <DerekDowling>  I am in the process of setting up the dev env, as well as familiarizing myself first with Ruby, and then Rails. I don't have any real experience with either, but I think I should be able to pick it up pretty quickly.
 [12:40:59]  *** m_conley waves
 [12:41:20] <ioev>  it looks like the subversion aspects are installed with apache, so I'm not sure exactly what I'm missing
 [12:42:08] <mina>  I had trouble installing the svn bindings too, on a lion mac, might be able to help
 [12:42:14] <karenreid>  ioev: this is the kind of thing where posting a note to markus-dev or checking on the irc channel will work
 [12:42:39] <kiramccoan>  im also getting subversion seg fault when i try to run rake db:seed
 [12:42:47] <kiramccoan>  on leopard mac
 [12:42:50] <karenreid>  Let's get to Andrey_ before we start on more specific questions
 [12:43:18] <Andrey_>  well I'm a bit behind, was busy with a co-op report.
 [12:43:21] <ioev>  karenreid: right. the exact error is "LoadError in MainController#login -- no such file to load -- svn/repos"
 [12:43:38] <karenreid>  Andrey_: no problem
 [12:43:42] <Andrey_>  also I work pretty bad without a due date
 [12:43:43] <ioev>  also, running on ubuntu 12.04
 [12:44:03] <Andrey_>  I'm going to set up the env this weekend
 [12:44:06] <Andrey_>  and start the tutorials
 [12:44:23] <Andrey_>  at least thats the plan
 [12:44:35] <Andrey_>  no experience with anything we use here :P
 [12:44:38] <karenreid>  Andrey_: That could be a problem in this kind of work because there isn't any hard and fast deadlines, just an expectation of steady progress.
 [12:44:57] <Andrey_>  I see
 [12:45:24] <karenreid>  Andrey_: that's okay You will probably find the first few weeks a bit frustrating as you become familiar with Rails and MarkUs and the whole way of working. That's totally normal.
 [12:45:47] <karenreid>  Hopefully, you will find that by the middle of the term things are rolling along and you feel much more comfortable about it.
 [12:45:55] <karenreid>  The key is to ask questions early and often.
 [12:46:10] <Andrey_>  that's how it usually works :)