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 [12:01:07] <jeffles>  hi
 [12:01:14] <klejao>  hello
 [12:01:36] <karenreid>  hi
 [12:01:51] <karenreid>  I just closed the issues from the top of the punchlines. :-)
 [12:03:48] <karenreid>  Michael isn't going to be able to make it today, because his team is doing an early farewell lunch
 [12:04:01] <jeffles>  that's cool
 [12:04:03] <klejao>  wow that's really
 [12:04:07] <jeffles>  i hope they took him somewhere nice
 [12:04:23] <jeffles>  i didn't get one. my team was too & fragmented. lol
 [12:04:39] <klejao>  they probably didnt want you to leave
 [12:05:24] <jeffles>  that's completely understandable
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 [12:08:08] <karenreid>  sorry, someone popped into my office and it took a few minutes to get her out.
 [12:08:58] <karenreid>  So, looking at the calendar there is technically one more week before the end of term, which means I have to submit marks for you in 2 weeks.
 [12:09:31] <karenreid>  What I would like each of you to do is to write a summary of what you have worked on this summer, and what you have learned.
 [12:10:09] <karenreid>  It doesn't have to be very long (say 1 page), and doesn't have to be very formally written.
 [12:10:28] <karenreid>  I mostly want to get a sense from you of the scope of what you accomplished and a bit of reflection on the experience.
 [12:10:46] <karenreid>  I'm pleased with the progress this summer. :-)
 [12:11:23] <darynl>  :D
 [12:12:18] <jeffles>  glad to hear we were useful :)
 [12:12:24] <karenreid>  While you are always welcome to continue working on MarkUs, it is really important to tie up issues and get code into github if not reviewed and into the master, so that the next group will have an easier time getting started.
 [12:12:50] <karenreid>  jeffles: it was pretty nice to see all the UJS stuff merged in
 [12:13:17] <karenreid>  I had a good time on Saturday too. It was satisfying to sit down and work on MarkUs for a substantial amount of time.
 [12:14:04] <karenreid>  We will have a meeting next week to kind of wrap things up, and then it would be good to have one more meeting if possible for a post mortem discussion.
 [12:14:33] <karenreid>  Any questions about the end of term things. It kind of snuck up on me. (Even though I predicted that would happen
 [12:14:36] <karenreid>  )
 [12:14:54] <jeffles>  haha
 [12:15:17] <klejao>  will we be able to continue this project as our 495 course?
 [12:15:25] <jeffles>  exactly what i was going to ask
 [12:15:30] <darynl>  same
 [12:16:00] <jeffles>  i actually sent an email about that :)
 [12:16:11] <karenreid>  just a sec, I need to deal with an emergency
 [12:16:32] <NelleV>  MOrning !
 [12:16:36]  #markus: mode change '-o NelleV' by NelleV!~Nelle@unaffiliated/nellev
 [12:17:19] <jeffles>  morning
 [12:17:34] <karenreid>  Hi NelleV !
 [12:18:03] <karenreid>  Re: 495. This is a tougher question that it probably looks.
 [12:18:37] <karenreid>  As Assoc. chair, I don't like to see students doing the same thing for CSC495 as they did for CSC494. As the lead on MarkUs, I'm thrilled to have students continue.
 [12:19:12] <darynl>  ooh haha
 [12:19:20] <jeffles>  that's reasonable
 [12:19:26] <karenreid>  What I would like to do if you are interested in continuing to pursue MarkUs for a 495 is talk about what you could do that would be different. I.e., what are you going to get out of 495 that is something you didn't get out of 494 (aside from one more credit)
 [12:20:12] <karenreid>  What ddadacha and tobioboye did was to take on a real leadership role in their second round.
 [12:20:41] <darynl>  my argument would be that, now that we have a good understanding of the code and environment, we would be more effecient at coding
 [12:20:42] <karenreid>  Another possibility would be to take charge of a major feature, and really push it through
 [12:21:03] <darynl>  that too
 [12:21:24] <klejao>  should we include this to our written summary?
 [12:21:30] <jeffles>  i think it's more of how markus can help you (learn, etc), instead of how you can help markus
 [12:21:33] <darynl>  we can actually dig deep into the code and work on a new feature rather than fixing bugs all day
 [12:21:34] <karenreid>  darynl: I certainly agree, and as the coordinator of MarkUs, it is a huge advantage for me.
 [12:21:55] <karenreid>  darynl: I think that makes sense.
 [12:22:06] <NelleV>  One could also be the release manager
 [12:22:13] <karenreid>  klejao: yes, that would be a good idea
 [12:22:24] <karenreid>  NelleV: I was just about to add that :D
 [12:23:00] <karenreid>  release management skills would be hugely marketable ;-)
 [12:23:29] <darynl>  that sounds very intriguing
 [12:23:31] <darynl>  haha
 [12:23:44] <jeffles>  i think mike would be interested
 [12:23:54] <karenreid>  Are you all interested in continuing in the fall? or are you thinking about winter?
 [12:24:06] <jeffles>  I'm thinking about winter, I'm taking 6 credits next fall :(
 [12:24:19] <darynl>  :O
 [12:24:29] <klejao>  im thinking to continue in the fall
 [12:24:32] <jeffles>  thanks to smc219 it's going to be 5 essay courses for me :)
 [12:24:46] <darynl>  I was also thinking fall
 [12:24:46] <klejao>  im pretty sure michael is thinking the same thing (fall)
 [12:25:35] <karenreid>  I can make that work. I'm not totally sure about the sprint. I think I have the money to pay your way at the Waterloo sprint, but I will have to check with the committee to see if they are okay with me bringing extra students.
 [12:26:07] <NelleV>  oh
 [12:26:19] <darynl>  karenreid: do you alreasy have a group of students going for markus?
 [12:26:21] <NelleV>  I'll probably come to Seattle for 6month next year !
 [12:26:23] <darynl>  already*
 [12:26:32] <NelleV>  I'll have to drop by Toronto for a spring :)
 [12:26:54] <NelleV>  (I'm actually in Seattle right now)
 [12:27:10] <karenreid>  darynl: I have committed to up to 6 students under UCOSP, but I don't mind adding to that from veterans ;-)
 [12:27:24] <karenreid>  NelleV: no wonder you think it is morning. :-)
 [12:27:56] <karenreid>  The fall sprint will be in Waterloo and the Spring sprint will be in Mountain View at facebook.
 [12:28:15] <karenreid>  NelleV: it would be great to have you at a sprint (or just see you for a visit)
 [12:28:24] <jeffles>  so winter is fine for me?
 [12:28:37] <jeffles>  I'm actually open to trying other UCOSP projects if they are available
 [12:28:49] <jeffles>  but I am also happy to taken some sort of leadership role in Markus
 [12:29:10] <karenreid>  jeffles: yes. I will sign you up as a UCOSP applicant. Just to be official, could you please send me a resume and transcript and cc Michelle Craig
 [12:29:40] <jeffles>  alright, I'll get that sent today
 [12:29:45] <karenreid>  jeffles: thanks
 [12:29:53] <darynl>  I wouldn't mind going to mountain view :D
 [12:30:07] <karenreid>  there seems to be a lot of interest...
 [12:30:13] <darynl>  haha
 [12:30:15] <jeffles>  >.>
 [12:30:18] <NelleV>  I'll be in Lake Tahoe in December also
 [12:30:29] <darynl>  I can do winter also
 [12:30:32] <NelleV>  I think...
 [12:30:42] <jeffles>  darynl: it would be great if you could work with me in the winter
 [12:31:05] <karenreid>  darynl: klejao and Michael should send me email letting me know what you want to do.
 [12:31:18] <NelleV>  karenreid: I'll keep you posted with my travel plans
 [12:31:25] <darynl>  I'll speak to them
 [12:31:34] <karenreid>  NelleV: that would be great. It sounds like you are really getting around :-)
 [12:31:46] <NelleV>  there's also a conference in Toronto next summer. I might try to get a paper published there
 [12:32:00] <karenreid>  darynl: I meant that as all three of you should send me the info, but the punctuation didn't work out.
 [12:32:11] <darynl>  haha oh ok
 [12:32:26] <karenreid>  thanks
 [12:32:39] <karenreid>  Okay, anything to talk about the recent punchlines or current status of MarkUs
 [12:32:40] <karenreid>  ?
 [12:32:47] <darynl>  so you want out resumes and transcripts like jeffles
 [12:33:24] <karenreid>  darynl: not for the fall because it is too late to apply for UCOSP (we are full), but I will happily take you on as extra students.
 [12:33:32] <darynl>  alright
 [12:33:35] <karenreid>  if you want to do it in the winter, then it is easiest to apply for UCOSP.
 [12:33:56] <darynl>  sounds good
 [12:33:58] <jeffles>  I'm currently changing all the url_fors into path()s like we talked about during the pull request for ujs finding a few routing errors when i go in to visually test it
 [12:34:12] <jeffles>  i made a new ticket for one that i really had trouble with, if anybody has a time please take a look
 [12:34:16] <jeffles>  the*
 [12:35:36] <darynl>  for myself, I am going to make a pull request on ticket 811 which was a simple fix for sorting assignments in the drop down menu
 [12:35:51] <karenreid>  :-)
 [12:35:57] <darynl>  and then I'll tackle issue 689 with kristian
 [12:36:10] <jeffles>  nice
 [12:36:14] <jeffles>  maybe i'll beg mike for help
 [12:36:15] <karenreid>  darynl: thanks
 [12:36:38] <klejao>  im just waiting for reviews on two of the issues I worked on. I honestly do not think we can finish issue 689 by end of the term but im willing to continue working on that
 [12:37:08] <darynl>  jeffles: is it the most recent issue you created?
 [12:37:15] <karenreid>  klejao: I agree that 689 is a little bigger, but it would be good to make project.
 [12:37:28] <jeffles>  yeah
 [12:37:39] <karenreid>  *progress
 [12:37:40] <jeffles>  it shouldn't be hard but i tried a fe things and got stuck
 [12:38:11] <klejao>  karenreid: i agree
 [12:38:21] <jeffles>  yeah 689 looks a bit challenging. I'm sure if we all give it a go this sunday we can get it done though
 [12:38:29] <jeffles>  you guys still free?
 [12:38:49] <darynl>  yep
 [12:38:54] <jeffles>  on karenreid you mentioned we'll have 1, possibly 2 more meetings. any preference on when?
 [12:39:00] <klejao>  im free.
 [12:39:21] <karenreid>  Next meeting should be Thursday noon again, and we can schedule the final one at everyone's convenience.
 [12:39:52] <jeffles>  sounds great
 [12:40:01] <jeffles>  karenreid: also, i know a bunch of highly skilled, deserving people who want to get into winter UCOSP. how do you want them to contact you?
 [12:40:05]  *** karenreid will be thinking about you all working hard on Sunday while sitting in the sun at a friend's cottage
 [12:40:14] <karenreid>  jeffles: YES
 [12:40:19] <darynl>  :(
 [12:40:26] <jeffles>  >.>"
 [12:40:34] <karenreid>  There is high demand for UCOSP this year, so anyone who is interested should get right on it.
 [12:40:43] <karenreid>  send them to ucosp.ca
 [12:40:46] <karenreid>  and
 [12:41:01] <klejao>  working on sunday shouldnt be too bad. daryn and I will have 2 days off (monday and tue)
 [12:41:54] <karenreid>  https://csc.cdf.toronto.edu/mybb/showthread.php?tid=112
 [12:42:31] <karenreid>  klejao: I'm glad you get some time off. I hope everyone gets some significant down time before the term starts
 [12:43:07] <jeffles>  yep going to vancouver on the 18th :D
 [12:43:16] <jeffles>  i'll be so happy to pass 373
 [12:43:20] <darynl>  lol
 [12:43:28] <karenreid>  jeffles: when is the final?
 [12:43:36] <jeffles>  the 12th i think
 [12:43:42] <jeffles>  it's a thursday
 [12:44:04] <jeffles>  i'm terrified to be honest haha
 [12:44:17] <jeffles>  i'm doing alright so far but i hear too many horror stories to relax
 [12:44:23] <karenreid>  btw, I met with a Waterloo student (Brian), and Byron Weber Becker on Tuesday. Brian will be working full time on MarkUs this fall as a co-op student.
 [12:44:45] <karenreid>  His priority will be the testing infrastructure and making it usable for at least Waterloo and U of T.
 [12:45:15] <darynl>  a tester, we need one of those haha
 [12:45:54] <jeffles>  by testing do you mean like QA testing
 [12:46:05] <jeffles>  or testing student homework testing
 [12:46:11] <karenreid>  the latter
 [12:46:17] <NelleV>  mmh
 [12:46:23] <jeffles>  that's cool
 [12:46:26] <NelleV>  I'll tell morgan about that
 [12:46:42] <NelleV>  else, we'll end up having the same subjects for our students and canadian students :)
 [12:47:10] <jeffles>  from my experience working on OS stuff with polish guys it actually works out pretty well
 [12:47:23] <karenreid>  NelleV: thanks. It will be good to have someone full time on this so that we can really get it completed.
 [12:47:27] <jeffles>  one guy updates the other guy before going to sleep
 [12:47:38] <jeffles>  it's like 24 hour labour
 [12:47:54] <jeffles>  OSS stuff *
 [12:48:31] <karenreid>  Any other things to talk about?
 [12:49:22] <jeffles>  any issues you really want us to finish before end of term?
 [12:49:50] <karenreid>  the rails 3 release? ;-)
 [12:49:57] <jeffles>  haha
 [12:50:35] <karenreid>  I think the major issues have been addressed. Mostly I want to make sure that as much stuff as possible is cleaned up so we can dive right in next term.
 [12:51:08] <karenreid>  The focus is still on the next release as you can tell.
 [12:51:24] <jeffles>  alright sounds good
 [12:51:30] <karenreid>  Thanks everyone!
 [12:51:46] <karenreid>  NelleV: what are you doing in Seattle?
 [12:52:15] <karenreid>  are you there for 6 months starting now or will you be coming back again later?
 [12:52:17] <NelleV>  karenreid: I'm collaborating with a team from UW here, so I'm visiting them for 3 weeks
 [12:52:18] <darynl>  goodbye for now
 [12:52:28] <karenreid>  bye darynl
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 [12:52:48] <NelleV>  karenreid: I'll probably come for 6months during the second year of my phd
 [12:52:59] <karenreid>  nice!
 [12:53:19] <karenreid>  NelleV: what are you working on? are there UW faculty I might know?
 [12:54:15] <NelleV>  karenreid: I'm working in applied mathematics and bioinformatics, on inferring the 3D structure of the genome
 [12:54:33] <karenreid>  cool. I definitely don't know anyone in that area.
 [12:54:46] <NelleV>  karenreid: I work with Bill Noble. He published a paper quoted in software carpentry on organising bioinformatics project
 [12:54:49] <karenreid>  I did see that you were doing some Software Carpentry stuff for Greg.
 [12:55:01] <karenreid>  I should say "with"
 [12:55:21] <NelleV>  we organised a bootcamp in Paris :)