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 [12:54:01] <viv>  hi everyone
 [12:54:13] <evanb>  hi
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 [12:58:42] <m_conley>  hello all
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 [12:59:32] <Hora>  Hey everyone
 [12:59:45] <m_conley>  Hora: hey!
 [13:00:20] <evanb>  hi everyone
 [13:00:20] <kschmidt_>  Hello
 [13:00:31] <evanb>  who's cheater, by the way?
 [13:00:47] <karenreid>  hi, I'll be right with you, just answering a MarkUs question :-)
 [13:01:17] <m_conley>  evanb: from what I gather, I think cheater and Luyt are friends of NelleV's
 [13:01:28] <m_conley>  NelleV: or do I have that wrong?
 [13:02:15] <karenreid>  ok I'm back
 [13:02:34] <karenreid>  Wow, 11 people here. That's great!
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 [13:02:38] <NelleV>  m_conley: more or less :p
 [13:02:49] <mi_sa>  Hi, sorry i'm late
 [13:03:01] <m_conley>  mi_sa: all good - we just got started
 [13:03:02] <NelleV>  they said they would behave :-)
 [13:03:10] <evanb>  :-)
 [13:03:14] <karenreid>  No worries, I'm just catching up too. I'm a bit behind because I got dragged into another meeting just before this one.
 [13:04:03] <karenreid>  I read the status reports, and it looks like everyone already has MarkUs installed, with the possible exception of Hora?
 [13:04:11] <karenreid>  That's a fantastic start
 [13:04:26] <Hora>  I have it installed just haven't done anything with that install yet :P
 [13:04:33] <karenreid>  Hora: no worries
 [13:04:36] <m_conley>  wonderful! sounds like we're all up and running. :D
 [13:04:49] <karenreid>  Are there any startup issues that we should discuss? or questions?
 [13:05:14] <m_conley>  (karenreid: Jiahui has contacted me having issues connecting - I'm trying to get him in here...)
 [13:05:26] <Hora>  her*
 [13:05:28] <viv>  i'm still trying to figure out what everything does at the moment, but at least it works :)
 [13:05:53] <karenreid>  viv: I expect a substantial learning curve.
 [13:06:19] <karenreid>  This may end up being a somewhat short meeting.
 [13:06:59] <karenreid>  It looks like everyone is making excellent progress in getting started. I don't want to load much on you in the week before the code sprint, but if you are ready to start looking at a few tickets, by all means plunge in.
 [13:07:10] <NelleV>  when is the code sprint ?
 [13:07:30] <karenreid>  We are getting (and creating) a few bug reports with the new version, so there will be a bunch of small things to fix in the next few weeks.
 [13:07:34] <mi_sa>  i think this week i may not even get to fixing bugs
 [13:07:43] <mi_sa>  i need to learn rails and the markus code
 [13:07:49] <karenreid>  The code sprint is Sept 30 - OCt 2
 [13:07:50] <viv>  i may not either, depending on my learning progress
 [13:07:54] <Hora>  me too
 [13:07:59] <karenreid>  No problem!
 [13:08:18] <kschmidt_>  I have a bunch of other homework to do this weekend. If I finish I'll start working on MarkUs bugs.
 [13:08:45] <karenreid>  We'll be working pretty intensely next weekend, so I don't mind at all if MarkUs takes a back burner to everything else this week.
 [13:08:48] <NelleV>  karenreid: the reason I ask is for the migration from git to svn
 [13:08:57] <karenreid>  I just don't want to hold anyone back :-)
 [13:09:12] <karenreid>  NelleV: Ah, that's a good topic for today.
 [13:09:18] <evanb>  NelleV, I was going to ask about that too
 [13:09:36] <karenreid>  For the new people, we have been talking about migrating our version control system from svn to git.
 [13:09:48] <m_conley>  Github, in particular, from what I gather
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 [13:09:58] <karenreid>  We didn't quite get around to it in the summer, but it seems a shame to wait a whole year to make the the move.
 [13:10:03] <NelleV>  yes, migrating from drProkect to Github
 [13:10:17] <Jiahui>  hi everyone
 [13:10:18] <kschmidt_>  I have no idea how that would effect the project, but I prefer git to svn
 [13:10:21] <Jiahui>  sorry i'm late
 [13:10:26] <karenreid>  NelleV has started looking into the transition.
 [13:10:33] <karenreid>  Hi Jiahui, welcome!
 [13:10:42] <Jiahui>  do we have the chat history
 [13:10:54] <m_conley>  Jiahui: http://www.markusproject.org/irc/markus20100924_pg1.html - this will update periodically, but will help you catch up. We're talking about migrating from SVN to Github
 [13:10:55] <Hora>  That's great, Git is awesome
 [13:11:09] <mi_sa>  what's the advantage of migrating?
 [13:11:16] <NelleV>  does everyone knows git ?
 [13:11:24] <karenreid>  NelleV, do you have a sense of what is involved?
 [13:11:27] <viv>  i've heard of it
 [13:11:40] <kschmidt_>  I use git for all my projects
 [13:11:41] <Jiahui>  i haven't heard of it before
 [13:11:42] <viv>  I've never used it myself
 [13:11:51] <m_conley>  mi_sa: well, one is the advantages of the git dvcs: de-centralized development. Multiple private branches for self...
 [13:11:56] <karenreid>  I have also not used it yet.
 [13:11:56] <NelleV>  karenreid: the main problem is going to be review board, mostly because it involves code on SVN that hasn't been committed
 [13:12:01] <m_conley>  mi_sa: Github itself gives us nicer exposure than Dr. Project too.
 [13:12:03] <Hora>  Here's a good place to start learning: http://progit.org/book/
 [13:12:05] <mi_sa>  so it's like murcurial?
 [13:12:15] <kschmidt_>  Yes, git is similar to mercurial
 [13:12:31] <kschmidt_>  They have different goals but are both distributed control systems
 [13:12:46] <m_conley>  NelleV: Review Board project moved from SVN to Git too. They created a new "repository" in Review Board, and called the old repository "Review Board SVN (deprecated)"
 [13:12:47] <kschmidt_>  Git was created by Linus Torvalds (creator of Linux)
 [13:12:51] <evanb>  I'm really looking forward to not having to worry about a ton of uncommitted code on my machine
 [13:12:59] <NelleV>  m_conley: what about the pending reviews ?
 [13:13:15] <m_conley>  NelleV: those might have been re-submitted for the new repo
 [13:13:22] <karenreid>  Hmm, so we need a way to close pending reviews, or make someone responsible for reopening them.
 [13:13:33] <NelleV>  m_conley: that's what I'm worried about. I can reopen them
 [13:14:03] <karenreid>  aren't we going to run into trouble with the diffs?
 [13:14:05] <NelleV>  It also depends on how we want to organize things. I suggest one branch per ticket, and one brench per review
 [13:14:14] <karenreid>  How many pending reviews do we have right now?
 [13:14:17] <m_conley>  karenreid: in what way?
 [13:14:30] <m_conley>  11
 [13:14:32] <m_conley>  so it's not bad
 [13:14:47] <m_conley>  plus, some of that might be tossed out.
 [13:14:51] <karenreid>  m_conley: not sure if it makes it harder to commit the code - might be straight forward
 [13:15:29] <NelleV>  I would suggest that we freeze the reviews for a day in order to do the migration
 [13:15:31] <karenreid>  How much work is involved in the migration? We could just say no new reviews this week and get the migration done
 [13:15:49] <m_conley>  especially if this is a "we're busy + learning Rails/MarkUs" week
 [13:16:00] <karenreid>  It does seem like a good time.
 [13:16:02] <evanb>  Will we be able to retain the comments from our old reviews?
 [13:16:08] <NelleV>  karenreid: if we could do it the 30th evening (france hours), that would be great for Benjamin, Clément and I
 [13:16:34] <m_conley>  evanb: we might have to put the comment history into a new comment per review request. :/
 [13:16:37] <karenreid>  That actually works pretty well here too.
 [13:16:43] <NelleV>  so we could agree that one the day of the 29th, we would freeze review board for around 24hours
 [13:17:00] <m_conley>  team: this would be a great time to become familiar with Git too.
 [13:17:11] <karenreid>  Everyone arrives for the sprint the evening of the 30th. So if we can get started Friday morning by learning how to use Git,..
 [13:17:12] <m_conley>  because it's quite a bit different if you're used to SVN.
 [13:17:12] <NelleV>  team: and github !
 [13:17:35] <karenreid>  It will be nice to have some experts around to answer questions for the newbies like me.
 [13:17:42] <m_conley>  Hora's suggestion is a good one: http://progit.org/book/ is a great place to get started
 [13:17:47] <NelleV>  karenreid: isn't the 30th a wednesday ?
 [13:17:49] <karenreid>  (to git and github I mean)
 [13:17:55] <kschmidt_>  I won't call myself an expert, but I'm sure I can help newbies
 [13:17:58] <Hora>  I'll mention that I'm not a pro, but I have used it before
 [13:18:03] <m_conley>  I can do the basics
 [13:18:19] <karenreid>  On my calendar the 30th is Thursday
 [13:18:34] <m_conley>  that's correct for me too
 [13:18:37] <NelleV>  ah, indeed...
 [13:18:48] <m_conley>  it might be worth doing it a few days before the sprint. I'd hate to start the sprint with a broken repo. :/
 [13:19:06] <NelleV>  that"s even better for Benjamin Clément and I !
 [13:19:42] <karenreid>  So, no commits unless you are someone working on the migration.
 [13:19:51] <kschmidt_>  Do we think that we'll have a working migration to git before the code sprint? Because everyone will need to clone the MarkUs repo from GitHub in order to start.
 [13:19:59] <NelleV>  can we agree on freezing review board from the 29th (wed) to Friday morning for you guys ?
 [13:20:00] <karenreid>  after Wednesday I mean?
 [13:20:11] <karenreid>  NelleV: yes
 [13:20:27] <m_conley>  kschmidt_: yeah, that'd be ideal.
 [13:20:36] <NelleV>  kschmidt_: yes. I'm not worried about that. We have a lot of scripts to help us, and a couple of geeks willing to spend a lot of time on it :p
 [13:20:51] <karenreid>  kschmidt_ that may be the first thing that we do Friday morning.
 [13:21:15] <m_conley>  we'll need to update the install documentation again to accomodate Git, too.
 [13:21:18] <NelleV>  I gotta run. I'll send a mail with a plan tonight. We've got it almost ready.
 [13:21:34] <m_conley>  plus moving the wiki. and the tickets. cripes.
 [13:21:39] <karenreid>  NelleV: Thanks very much for organizitng this!
 [13:21:54] <karenreid>  We can move the tickets later. That is definitely more involved.
 [13:21:57] <NelleV>  m_conley: wiki and tickets won't be much of a problem, mostly because it doesn't involve users directly
 [13:22:04] <NelleV>  m_conley: it can be scripted
 [13:22:09] <m_conley>  NelleV: yes - I heartily recommend leveraging the Github API
 [13:22:13] <karenreid>  cool!
 [13:22:50] <evanb>  I don't have a lot of experience with this but I could definitely help out since I don't have to work on learning rails :-)
 [13:23:40] <m_conley>  If you hit any brick walls, let the team know
 [13:24:19] <karenreid>  evanb: coordinate with NelleV. It sounds like she has already got Benjamin and Clément working on it.
 [13:24:44] <karenreid>  Are there any other issues we should discuss today?
 [13:25:08] <m_conley>  I just wonder how Byron is doing.
 [13:25:27] <Hora>  I want to ask some general questions about the sprint next week, non-technical questions - I can wait till the end
 [13:25:39] <NelleV>  ok, gotta run. I'll keep you inform evanb !
 [13:25:41] <NelleV>  see you later
 [13:25:42] <karenreid>  (We are missing Victor, right?)
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 [13:25:48] <m_conley>  Hora: fire away
 [13:26:09] <m_conley>  karenreid: correct
 [13:26:24] <karenreid>  Hora: that was the last thing I was planning to discuss, and I think it is the only thing left.
 [13:26:31] <Hora>  Ok.
 [13:26:36] <Hora>  I'll ask my questions then
 [13:27:26] <Hora>  First, I'm under the impression that food costs will be covered in Toronto - how will that work? Will we get some money to spend? Do we have to save receipts? Or do we have arranged meals?
 [13:27:52] <karenreid>  Not all food costs will be covered.
 [13:28:07] <karenreid>  We will be providing lunch on Friday and dinner on Friday.
 [13:28:16] <karenreid>  We will also have some snacks.
 [13:28:22] <Hora>  Ah ok, that makes more sense
 [13:28:24] <karenreid>  The rest of the time you are on your own.
 [13:28:36] <Hora>  So I have to save some room on my credit card for that weekend :P
 [13:28:36] <karenreid>  Fortunately, we are close to lots of good inexpensive food.
 [13:28:47] <viv>  Is this also for those who reside in Toronto as well? :D I don't remember reading about this
 [13:29:19] <Hora>  That was my second question - where is the building we will be spending most of our time in? I want to figure out how to get there from our hotel
 [13:29:24] <Jiahui>  do we code 8 hours everyday during the sprint or how does that work
 [13:30:02] <karenreid>  If you want to look it up on Google we are at 40 St. George Street.
 [13:30:18] <Jiahui>  also andrew hasn't sent me the information about the hotel yet, so i still don't know where i'm staying at in toronto
 [13:30:20] <m_conley>  it's called The Bahen Center: http://www.greatspaces.utoronto.ca/projects/bahen.htm
 [13:30:21] <karenreid>  We were planning to have someone meet you at the hotel Friday morning to walk here. It is about 6-8 blocks
 [13:30:36] <karenreid>  It is the Holiday in at St. George and Bloor
 [13:30:52] <Hora>  Ok, thanks. Our email said Yorkville and Bloor
 [13:31:01] <m_conley>  hm
 [13:31:37] <karenreid>  You should also get an email about possible arrangements for Thursday. I think Andrew Louis was going to suggest meeting at a nearby pub for those who arrive early enough in the evening.
 [13:32:01] <Jiahui>  well i arrive at 11pm or so on thursday night
 [13:32:06] <Jiahui>  can't find a better ticket
 [13:32:16] <karenreid>  You might want to just sleep then. :-)
 [13:32:21] <Hora>  So do I - are you on the 4:30pm WestJet flight from Vancouver, Jiahui?
 [13:32:28] <Jiahui>  yes
 [13:32:39] <Hora>  cool, my friend and I are also on that flight
 [13:32:46] <Jiahui>  oh that's good
 [13:32:46] <karenreid>  Great. You guys should share a cab to the hotel!
 [13:32:58] <Hora>  Yep, that would be cheaper!
 [13:33:08] <kschmidt_>  Curiously, is cab the best way to get to the hotel from the airport?
 [13:33:13] <karenreid>  Sadly, yes.
 [13:33:22] <kschmidt_>  Alright
 [13:33:49] <mi_sa>  where is the hotel?
 [13:33:54] <karenreid>  You might be able to get a shuttle bus to a downtown hotel, but I'm not sure about the cost.
 [13:34:09] <mi_sa>  if it's pearson airport, there's a shuttle bus to kipling station
 [13:34:11] <Jiahui>  but andrew didn't tell me which room to stay in. can i just check in with my name when i arrive at the hotel