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 [12:49:28] <kschmidt_>  Hello everyone
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 [12:50:01] <kschmidt_>  viv, did you get MarkUs set up okay?
 [12:50:11] <viv>  hello~
 [12:50:17] <evanb>  hi :)
 [12:51:13] <viv>  ah I haven't looked at it since yesterday >_<
 [12:51:22] <kschmidt_>  Haha alright then
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 [12:58:17] <Hora>  Hi everyone
 [12:58:22] <m_conley>  hey Hora
 [12:58:28] <m_conley>  (Horatiu, I assume)
 [12:58:29] <evanb>  hi
 [12:58:48] <Hora>  Yep, that's what everyone calls me for short, easier to pronounce :P
 [12:58:55] <karenreid>  Hi everyone! We'll just wait a few minutes for the last two to join in.
 [12:59:04] <Hora>  Ok
 [12:59:20] <karenreid>  (And i'll keep working on my notes :-P )
 [12:59:34] <m_conley>  karenreid: just to let you know - I'll have to duck out about 5 minutes before 2 - another meeting at 2PM.
 [12:59:54] <karenreid>  m_conley: no problem. Thanks for joining us
 [13:00:06] <m_conley>  np
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 [13:02:32] <kschmidt_>  I will also be leaving the meeting a few minutes early to set up a lab I'm TAing
 [13:02:37] <vivri>  hey everyone :)
 [13:02:45] <m_conley>  vivri: hello!
 [13:02:45] <karenreid>  Hi vivri, welcome!
 [13:02:52] <vivri>  it's Victor Ivri from the ucosp project
 [13:02:52] <Hora>  Hi!
 [13:03:12] <evanb>  Hi Victor!
 [13:03:19] <kschmidt_>  Hi Victor
 [13:03:20] <viv>  haha hello victor
 [13:03:34]  *** vivri *aside* haven't used irc so long had to read a short tutorial again... ))
 [13:03:35] <mi_sa>  hi :)
 [13:03:40] <vivri>  lol hey viv
 [13:03:43] <karenreid>  Since at least a couple of people have to leave promptly, and I'm a slow typer, let's get started.
 [13:03:49] <evanb>  ok
 [13:03:50]  Nick change: vivri -> victorivri
 [13:03:55] <victorivri>  that's easier :)
 [13:04:02] <karenreid>  It's great to have everyone here at least virtually. :-)
 [13:04:09] <evanb>  has anyone heard from Jiahui recently? I'm still waiting for their bio
 [13:04:27] <karenreid>  Hora, do you know Jiahui?
 [13:04:43] <Hora>  I don't know Jiahui.. Our CS program is pretty big
 [13:05:12] <karenreid>  I'll send him or her email to see what is up. I hope I had the right email address.
 [13:05:42] <evanb>  ok sounds good
 [13:05:58] <karenreid>  I'm in the midst of writing a blog post for what I'd like to work on this fall. You'll get the gist of it here, but have a look later today.
 [13:06:17] <karenreid>  But first how has the set up been going?
 [13:06:33] <Hora>  Good. I got as far as checking out the repository
 [13:06:35] <karenreid>  Did the non-uoft students get drproject accounts? (email from Alan Rosenthat)
 [13:06:45] <Hora>  I don't think I have...
 [13:07:06] <kschmidt_>  I haven't got an email yet
 [13:07:08] <karenreid>  hmm. It's been a busy week, I may need to remind him.
 [13:07:15] <kschmidt_>  And I set up MarkUs on OSX about a week ago
 [13:07:35] <kschmidt_>  I do have a few changes to the install so a DrProject account would be nice
 [13:07:37] <Hora>  What's the drproject account for? I thought I would need that to check out the repo
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 [13:07:48] <karenreid>  I think m_conley (Mike) has been getting the other accounts for you.
 [13:07:58] <Hora>  I have those, thanks again Mike
 [13:08:08] <karenreid>  Hora, the drproject account gives you commit access to the repo, and wiki and ticket access.
 [13:08:21] <Hora>  Ahhh ok
 [13:08:24] <karenreid>  The site is viewable by anyone, but you need to log in to make changes
 [13:08:31] <Hora>  Ok, makes sense
 [13:08:32] <evanb>  actually I'm not sure that you do
 [13:08:41]  *** m_conley nods
 [13:08:46] <evanb>  we seem to be getting a lot of spam tickets recently
 [13:09:05] <karenreid>  I just turned of anonymous ticket filing, to try to stop that.
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 [13:09:35] <evanb>  great!
 [13:09:47] <victorivri>  sry, second cup internet sucks :-/ i missed the last minute or so..
 [13:10:08] <m_conley>  victorivri: logs - http://www.markusproject.org/irc/
 [13:10:12] <karenreid>  I'm losing my memory. Does everyone kind of know who everyone is?
 [13:10:24] <Hora>  Sort of :P
 [13:10:27] <victorivri>  m_conley thanks
 [13:10:34] <victorivri>  kinda ;-P
 [13:10:42] <kschmidt_>  No really
 [13:10:43] <karenreid>  Maybe we should do a quick round of intros. I'll start.
 [13:10:49] <kschmidt_>  Not really*
 [13:11:34] <karenreid>  I've been teaching at the U of T for 9 years, and have been supervising an online marking tool project for about 5 years. I teach mostly C and OS type courses.
 [13:12:17] <karenreid>  How about if everyone introduces themselves in alphabetically order by id?
 [13:12:22] <m_conley>  k
 [13:12:37] <bwinton>  I work at Mozilla Messaging on Thunderbird, and mostly hang out here to chime in with irrelevant details.
 [13:12:50] <karenreid>  I was going to let bwinton off the hook :-)
 [13:13:10] <evanb>  I'm an 3rd year student at U of T and I worked on MarkUs for the summer... I'm also in one of Karen's OS courses ;)
 [13:13:34] <Hora>  I'm Horatiu, you can call me Hora for short. I'm doing my last few semester at SFU, and this is my first time working on OSS, I'm pretty excited! I've done a fair amount of Django in the past, but I'm new to Rails, so if I ask stupid questions don't hold it against me :P
 [13:14:14] <m_conley>  jerboaa might be away from keyboard...
 [13:14:42] <kschmidt_>  I'm Kurtis. I'm in my last semester at U of Manitoba. This is also my first OSS project. I'm not completely new to rails as I've played around with it for the last few years. This will be my first big rails project. Also, in the past I've worked at Frantic Films VFX, RIM, and EA Canada.
 [13:14:43] <Hora>  Let's skip to 'k' then?
 [13:14:53] <karenreid>  jerboaa worked on MarkUs for the summer of 2009 and last year as a UCOSP student. He continues to help us a *lot*
 [13:15:07] <m_conley>  I'm Mike Conley. I'm a grad student, finishing up this semester. I'm a TA for UCOSP this year, and I'll be mostly focusing my attention on MarkUs and Review Board. I've been working on MarkUs in one way or another for about 2 years or so now, and was part of the team that got the original version out.
 [13:15:23] <mi_sa>  I'm Misa, a 4th year student at UofT. I've also had some experience on Django but none on Rails. I haven't had a chance to set up MarkUs yet, but I've played around with the demo version a bit.
 [13:16:14]  *** jerboaa waves :)
 [13:16:23] <m_conley>  victorivri, then viv?
 [13:16:35] <victorivri>  I'm Victor, a final year Comp Sci & Cognitive Science student @ York U in Toronto.
 [13:16:44] <victorivri>  Did a google summer of code project in 08
 [13:16:58] <victorivri>  now work as a c# dev for an actuarial firm
 [13:17:27] <victorivri>  don't have much experience in RoR either, but i hope to be able to fit in quickly ^_^
 [13:17:37] <victorivri>  nething else, ask!
 [13:18:36] <viv>  hi everyone, my name is Vivien. I'm a 4th year student at U of T. This is also my first OSS project, as well as my first time with Rails so hopefully I can catch up quickly >_<
 [13:18:53] <Hora>  whoa, that emoticon looks scary
 [13:19:20]  *** victorivri that was me trying to set up the env for MarkUs ;-)
 [13:19:37] <evanb>  setting up may be the hardest part of the whole project ;)
 [13:19:47] <Hora>  I actually have a question about that - should I ask it here or email the dev list?
 [13:19:48] <victorivri>  hah, i wish
 [13:19:48] <karenreid>  Please come to the irc channel or use the dev list to ask for help
 [13:20:34] <karenreid>  (I should admit that I'm pretty useless when it comes to getting help with MarkUs installs)
 [13:20:56] <karenreid>  Hora, maybe we can hold specific technical questions until later.
 [13:21:16] <Hora>  That's fine.
 [13:21:37] <karenreid>  So, as was said in email, the first steps are to get rails going on your development machine, try out a small tutorial or two so that you understand the basic framework, and then get the MarkUs development environment installed.
 [13:21:49] <karenreid>  The next step is to find a couple of tickets that look pretty easy. evanb, m_conley, jerboaa and I can help you with that.
 [13:22:02] <karenreid>  If you can get that far before the code sprint, I'll be happy.
 [13:22:39] <karenreid>  It would be great if everyone had a working environment ready to go at the code sprint so we can dive into the bigger projects.
 [13:22:57] <karenreid>  Also, everyone is at a different point as far as being confident in web programming and/or rails, so don't worry if you feel like you are starting slowly.
 [13:23:17] <karenreid>  (I can see I'm going to have to work a bit harder to keep kschmidt_ busy ;-) )
 [13:23:31] <Hora>  Can we work remotely from the code sprint? As in, the machine I work on is a desktop and cannot bring it with me, can I just access it remotely from Toronto?
 [13:23:34] <kschmidt_>  I can only hope :)
 [13:23:48] <Hora>  Or should I also install everything on my laptop? What would be better?
 [13:24:28] <karenreid>  You should be able to access your machine from Toronto. I think it is up to you.
 [13:24:31] <karenreid>  Other opinions?
 [13:24:56] <victorivri>  i'm also gonna opt for remote access - no need to duplicate environment setups :)
 [13:25:05] <kschmidt_>  How much lag do you normally find when logging in remotely?
 [13:25:29] <Hora>  I've logged in remotely to do work from Europe as well (the machine is in Vancouver), and it's been fine.
 [13:25:30] <victorivri>  kschmidt_ was that a q for me?
 [13:25:37] <m_conley>  bring a laptop with the development environment set up just in case, and then when you get here, choose based on what's most comfortable?
 [13:25:57] <Hora>  Ok that's probably more safe
 [13:25:58] <victorivri>  i havent actually set up the desktop for a remote env
 [13:26:16] <kschmidt_>  Alright, I was just checking about lag to see if it would slow down the programming or not
 [13:26:19] <victorivri>  ok, i second that - ill have a laptop as well
 [13:26:23] <kschmidt_>  But m_conley had the best suggestion imho
 [13:26:36] <Hora>  Well I log in using SSH, it's pretty fast - I do most of my coding in vim :P
 [13:26:49] <kschmidt_>  Ahhh, well then you would probably be fine
 [13:26:52] <evanb>  Also the internet at Bahen is very fast
 [13:26:57] <evanb>  at least I find it so
 [13:27:00] <Hora>  Bahen?
 [13:27:04] <kschmidt_>  However, how would you access the development server remotely?
 [13:27:11] <evanb>  That's our building sorry :-)
 [13:27:16] <Hora>  Ah ok :)
 [13:27:18] <Hora>  I thought so
 [13:27:30] <karenreid>  I'm not going to completely duplicate by blog post here, but just to give you an idea of the things I'd like to work on this fall (and winter)...
 [13:27:38] <Hora>  Good question, Kurtis. I'll have to figure that out
 [13:27:43] <karenreid>  I have 2 larger projects in mind and a few small ones.
 [13:27:45] <kschmidt_>  For example, in rails most people will use: "ruby script/server" then you can see everything as you change it
 [13:28:01] <kschmidt_>  But that server is found at localhost:3000
 [13:28:14] <kschmidt_>  Sorry karenreid I'll stop talking, you can go
 [13:28:25] <karenreid>  No prolem
 [13:28:29] <karenreid>  problem
 [13:28:40] <karenreid>  The first big one is the automated test system.
 [13:28:58] <karenreid>  We'd like students to be able to submit their work for testing and get nearly immediate feedback.
 [13:29:35] <karenreid>  Benjamin and Diane put a lot of work into it this summer but there is still lots to do
 [13:30:19] <karenreid>  The second big one is to take a serious look at report generation and what kinds of summary data to show to whom.
 [13:31:02] <karenreid>  Dina made a bit of a start at it this summer, but I'd like to look at it more seriously this fall. We have lots of data inside MarkUs, we just have to figure out how to show it to the users.
 [13:31:13] <karenreid>  The smaller ones include things like
 [13:31:40] <karenreid>  being able to assume the view of a particular student or TA
 [13:31:57] <karenreid>  some modifcations to late penalties
 [13:32:09] <karenreid>  the ability (possibly) to delete assignments and users
 [13:32:30] <karenreid>  some UI issues that might make marking easier for the TAs
 [13:32:37] <karenreid>  and more...
 [13:32:57] <Hora>  Sounds like a fun semester
 [13:32:59] <Hora>  !
 [13:33:12] <karenreid>  If there is a particular area of MarkUs that looks interesting to you, or that you want to jump on, please let me know.
 [13:33:29] <evanb>  I have something I might like to add on the accessibility side
 [13:34:05] <karenreid>  Usually I have students work in pairs together with another student from their home university, but that depends on exactly what everyone ends up doing.
 [13:34:19] <karenreid>  evanb: more work on the accessibility would be great!
 [13:34:59] <karenreid>  Also, there will be occasionally bug reports that are urgent that I may ask someone to work on.
 [13:35:05] <Hora>  OK.
 [13:35:36] <karenreid>  I already know that we won't get everythign on my list done this term, but I like to have a good selection to choose from. :-)
 [13:35:42] <Hora>  I'll have to take a look at everything more closely, but so far everything sounds like it would be interesting to work on
 [13:36:06] <mi_sa>  The data showing sounds really interesting to me at the moment
 [13:36:10] <victorivri>  setting up automatic testing sounds cool :)
 [13:36:21] <Hora>  I'm with you Misa
 [13:36:43] <karenreid>  I won't ask you to commit to anything now.
 [13:37:04] <karenreid>  A huge part of this program/course is managing your own time.
 [13:37:34] <karenreid>  The way we ran meetings last year, was that one person would be designated to post the status reports from everyone.
 [13:37:35] <Hora>  How are we going to be graded?
 [13:37:45] <karenreid>  (we had a better name for status reports)
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 [13:38:00] <karenreid>  Hora, I'll talk about that in just a sec
 [13:38:07] <Hora>  ok
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 [13:38:09] <m_conley>  "punchlines"